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You get what you pay for

New inhabitant of Montreal, and we are meant to get CRRC bi-level commuter cars, we currently have a 2 year delay and counting, they are plagued with problems....

Isn’t it bizarre how even in most of the most liberal states in the US the don’t put enough funding into public transit than it needs?

In the case of Boston, why not have replicas of the 900 series L cars from 1927,1928 to replace the Chinese built subway cars? After all the 900 series L cars lasted until 1962 being used in the rush hours on what is now the Orange Line. 😂

The transit agencies got what they paid for

Mainland China has a well deserved reputation for shoddy workmanship and no safety rules for anything.

Up in Canada TTC has put out a tender for 70 new trains to replace their aging Bombardier T1 trains on Line 2 Bloor-Danforth. So far Alstom, CRRC, Kawasaki Heavy Industries and Hyundai Rotem have submitted bids, and I hope that TTC make the right decision. Meanwhile MTR in Hong Kong is going all in with CRRC trains, having just placed a huge order of 93 8-car trains for their urban line network. The last non-CRRC train were the R-Trains built for the East Rail Line by Hyundai Rotem.

yeah these people absolutely screwed boston bad

Tbf I find CRRC a very funny company in terms of train quality. I'm from Hong Kong and we have trains from CRRC that are trash, but also have trains from CRRC that are actually high quality. Not sure why but CRRC really should try to keep their products a high quality standard instead of everything between trash and decent.

Good. NO Chinese cars in America

Amazing that so many in this country turn a blind eye to the human rights abuses in totalitarian China by buying lowball-priced Chinese made crap. All of which is even more ironic in a liberal woke city like Boston that nevertheless decided to fill the pockets of the Chinese hivernment by buying this aborrently-sourced, defective and unreliable crap.

Chinese coachbuilders are subsidized by the CCP. They can underbid any manufacturer.

CRRC was trying to compete with other manufacturers bids, just like with Boeing with their 737 MAX to compete with the A320neo. The CRRC cars are like the 737 MAX of subway cars, where as other manufacturers' cars are like the A320neo of subway cars.

CRRC misunderstood the future of expansion.

Technically, the MBTA deal that brought CRRC to Springfield, MA, wasn't under Buy America. MBTA intentionally didn't use federal funding so that they could impose a "Buy Massachusets" condition on that contract. If you use federal funding, you can't discriminate amongst states when it comes to bidding. CRRC was able to use the factory they built in Massachusetts for bids on future Buy America contracts, though. Any of the other bidders would have needed to set up a separate assembly line in Massachusetts, which explains in part why those bids were so high.

Boston here - I was hoping Siemens was going to bid. The Blue Line cars have been great and had almost no problems. Sadly, they did not bid.

I Boston we have Subway Trains over 100 years old used for Work and Maintenance and they always Work, one Trolley line the Trolley's are 88 years old and never break down !!!

Montreal bought rail cars for the EXO rail. Only a few cars have been delivered so far... Why didn't the Quebec government buy from a Canadian manufacturer is a question that needs to be answered - low bidder doesn't always mean that they are good products.

These automated cars are not trains there semi trucks that take up space on the railroad.

To me, CRRC has actually been great! Whenever I take the train in Chicago, I'm always hoping for the new 7000s Series to come! It's a decent train, best quality train cars I've experienced so far when it comes to city trains, and I do appreciate how they were manufactured in Hegewisch, the most isolated neighborhood in Chicago without any actual CTA L service, but it's still good that the city cares enough about Hegewisch to place train manufacturing there. At 6:01 I'm kind of annoyed by your comment on "national security concerns aside", because ultimately there is no reason for the Chinese government to spy on us, their foreign policy is almost all about economic power which is what you showcased in this video in how CRRC is just bidding out everyone, privacy infringement and "national security concerns" is really a problem for us American citizens who have to deal with our own government always spying on us along with all the big carriers and tech monopolies being in cooperation. Besides this, great video. CRRC is still Chinese-made, Chicago is just lucky I suppose for now, and I'm all for it!

dude you need to stop punching your mic, the pops are super distracting

Great coverage of this important development, thanks for the video. BTW, please use a low cut, or high pass filter with your microphone, or remove those lower frequencies in a DAW, my subwoofer was really annoying while trying to listen to your video at volume because of the plosives, and rumbling

The whole “lowest bidder wins” thing is a common belief, but isn’t necessarily true - it depends on the state. Federally, the FTA has a whole 300+ best practices guid on contracts and bidding that pretty consistently pushes back on only considering the total capital costs, without explicitly banning it, and provides a ton of guidance on how to structure things if you must go that route to avoid issues. Generally, though, the idea is to have a process where you identify the Best *Value*, which includes more than just cost - along with things like pre-qualification of bidders and evaluating technical and cost proposals separately. Pretty much everyone requires bids be “responsive and responsible” in addition to lowest cost: in other words, that the winner be the lowest offer that fully meets the requirements of the request for proposals, and does so in a way and by a company that can actually deliver. Of course, any process can be manipulated, but public agencies aren’t stupid (just constrained by a lot of rules) and don’t *want* to waste money or time on a failed contract. Some politicians certainly may be - corruption is a thing - but that’s part of why the process is so involved to begin with: to ensure it’s fair, transparent, and makes the best use of public dollars.

Are pounding your fist while you’re reading? It comes through loud and clear. Don’t do that.

Tiktok trains govt is going to ban them 😂

SEPTA really should be going to Stadler for the new cars. They're making the most high quality EMUs rolling out on the rails here in the states. KISS units on the highest traffic lines would be badass

What about Alstom? They messed up the Avelia Liberty

Forget China and its companies. Bring manufacturing back to this country. Build our own subway cars.

I'm pretty glad they cancelled the order. CRRC has proven to be unreliable in American markets

CRRC benefitted from Industrial espionage and Chinese attempts to clone North American and European technology. The Chinese bought German, French and Japanese high speed trains and then proceeded to reverse engineer them and then offer the end product to other countries markets. The same was done with commuter and regional rail equipment.

5:22 it should be Siemens because clearly, Siemens knows how to build quality rail equipment in a timely manner

Septa seems to have history for 1st time suppliers.

Only in Massachusetts would our politicians and their hacks at the MBTA justify wasting more tax payer dollars propping up a failed company under the excuse of "its too late to turn back." First SOLYNDRA and now CRRC. Its even worse now since this was money given to a company that is still owned by the Chinese Communist Party.

Looks like the plans for using SEPTAs old Comets on new rail lines around the US and Canada are delayed because the cars aren’t being removed from SEPTA service yet

Hitachi , Siemens ,Kawasaki all of them do good work

This makes me really glad that Marta ordered from Stadler and not CRRC.

I always see CRRC as the Aliexpress or TEMU of Trains, very cheap and poor quality control. If you think their Rolling Stock is bad, just look at their Locmotives that some countries got from them.

I always think of CRRC as the Temu of trains. Very cheap but terrible quality.

Amtrak is killed by car manufacturers for profits in car sales and roadways to build more vehicles, the airlines that didnt want to share potential passengers that wanted Hi-speed for comfort and safety. But greed kills progress and people...just ask Boeing whistle-blowers...oh that's right, they dead already!!! Coincidence maybe...you e the judge!!!😮😮😮😮

Fun fact: I was standing in the exact spot the opening shot of the video was taken less than an hour ago.

As an occasional SEPTA Regional Rail rider, this is probably one of the best decision the agency have done since cancelling the KOP extension.

How does CRRC do so badly????!!!!! WTF some of their off the shelf products can easily be added to cities like Chicago. And China has their own buy China requirements what is their excuse???

I think History in the Dark has more trains to add to his 5 worst trains series, and Andrew the Rocket City Railfan has another episode of Garbage on the Rails to make.

what's with the random bass hits throughout the video that serve no purpose?

Temu Trains

Why didn't they go with Hyundai Rotem? They're pretty much what CRRC wishes they were, as their rolling stock is fantastic and reliable for an affordable price. I'd actually say they're better than Bombardier, and come with far less issues for a much lower price tag. They're like the Toyota of rolling stock as they're fast, efficient, and super low maintenance. Don't let the price fool you into believing you're buying low quality garbage, as it's built out Seoul's massive subway network with few issues. In Vancouver, Hyundai Rotems are used on the Canada Line with less issues than the Bombardier LIM trains used on other lines, and because they were so affordable, the 20km line was built for under $2 billion.

Why the hell would we buy Chinese trains? They make awful products and cheat the bidding process by undermining actual companies who make quality products.

Hang on a minute, not all cities have fallen for this? NYC chose Kawasaki (a regular and well-established client), Baltimore chose Hitachi, and Atlanta chose Stadler! Though, we don't see much Siemens, Alstom or CAF

What is the alternative of lowest bidder wins policy?

Excellent! Where did you get the railcar cost/bid data?